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Warhoonslayer Guest
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: Shadizar Boxed Set Map? |
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I feel ripped off, you can download the same city map for free from the Wizards of the Coast website! What gives?  |
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Mongoose_Carnifex Mongoose
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 188 Location: Beneath the Arcanist's Tower
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Warhoonslayer,
Could you possibly provide a link to said map? Given that the map in Shadizar is quite specific to the layout of that city (and to specific ip), it seems unlikely that Wizards of the Coast are providing it as a download on their website, but I'm willing to give you the opportunity to prove me wrong.
They certainly shouldn't be providing the same map. _________________ Yellow Fire Mice |
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Mongoose_Carnifex Mongoose
Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 188 Location: Beneath the Arcanist's Tower
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I've just had a look and indeed you are correct.
We were not aware of what the artist who drew the Shadizar map had done. We are looking into this right now. _________________ Yellow Fire Mice |
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Old Bear Greater Spotted Mongoose
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 1438 Location: A cave somewhere in Siberia
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys,
So everybody knows, it looks as if we have been led seriously astray by one of our artists. Mongoose unreservedly condemns any such behaviour and you can rest assured that we are contacting WoTC regarding this.
For now I'd appreciate everybody holding fire on making any wild assumptions and leave us to sort the matter out. This is one that got past us but in many cases as you can imagine we have to trust the honesty of our artists. _________________ Old Bear
Ted Chang, don't you know. And I'm not a moderator any more so don't even think about moaning to me. |
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Odovacar's Ghost Banded Mongoose
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 226 Location: Haunting the Pictish Wilderness
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not making any assumptions, so, I'd rather have a hard copy of said map, then a pretty picture on my computer. _________________ Flee from Picts? Never! Attack! |
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sbarrie Banded Mongoose
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 256 Location: Canuckistan
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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That city looks too small, clean and planned for the Shadrizar I imagined, frankly. It needs more signs of icons, idols and blasphemies. Sure it's fine to force slaves to dig canals, but wouldn't it be better to dig canals and then line them with the likenesses of sub-human deities? With each cult trying to horrify their neighbour's totems into docility... (A fifteen foot statue to Zog the Taint? We're going to lose worshippers unless we build an eighteen foot idol to Xathgaar. And let's make him look like he's getting ready to eat Zog.)
I like the idea of a canal city, though. Is that from REH? |
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VincentDarlage Duck-Billed Mongoose
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 2132 Location: Indiana, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| sbarrie wrote: | | I like the idea of a canal city, though. Is that from REH? |
Howard never described the city. _________________ A Sample of My Art
Stories
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sbarrie Banded Mongoose
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 256 Location: Canuckistan
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| VincentDarlage wrote: | | sbarrie wrote: | | I like the idea of a canal city, though. Is that from REH? |
No. I don't recall describing the city as a canal city in the text, either. I didn't even put a waterfront district in the city at all. |
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So is the "Canal City of Mystery" map not the one used in the Shadrizar boxed set, or did the artist not read the project guidelines? |
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VincentDarlage Duck-Billed Mongoose
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 2132 Location: Indiana, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| sbarrie wrote: | | So is the "Canal City of Mystery" map not the one used in the Shadrizar boxed set, or did the artist not read the project guidelines before pulling a premade map out of his collection? |
Apparently the artist didn't read anything about Shadizar before pulling out his premade map. Hopefully this is not the artist who did Messantia's map also. _________________ A Sample of My Art
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Steve Conan Trustrum Stoat
Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Toronto, On
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Who was the artist? I'm going to be looking for a cartographer for a project and want to make sure I don't inadvertantly contact this artist, who has proven he can't be trusted. Please PM it to me. _________________ Love is never having to say you're sorry. Power is being able to kill anyone who asks for an apology. |
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Paluka Weasel
Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 43
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject: am I reading this correctly |
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| Based on this thread I'm being led to believe that the boxed set was printed and shipped with an incorrect city map? Is an oversight this large really possible? |
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gav Stoat
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Is this for real?
I have just ordered the Shadizar box set, and now your telling me that the map is wrong, and nobody checked? Whats going on?????  |
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VincentDarlage Duck-Billed Mongoose
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 2132 Location: Indiana, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| gav wrote: | Is this for real?
I have just ordered the Shadizar box set, and now your telling me that the map is wrong, and nobody checked? Whats going on?????  |
What are they supposed to do? Check every map ever made before printing something? One would assume a map submitted by an artist is not stolen from another source or used previously in another context. Mongoose was duped by an unscrupulous "artist". Anger should be reserved for that [expletive deleted] who submitted a spurious map. _________________ A Sample of My Art
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Jason Durall Lesser Spotted Mongoose

Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Posts: 537 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| gav wrote: | Is this for real?
I have just ordered the Shadizar box set, and now your telling me that the map is wrong, and nobody checked? Whats going on?????  |
I was a proofreader on the project, but never saw the map in question. (I only looked at the books.)
In Mongoose's defense, it is extremely difficult to imagine any process by which they can check something like a map to see if it has been re-used from another source.
They contract an artist, who provides a work of art for them. It is implicitly assumed that the contractor is not providing work that has been previously published, especially to a competitor.
If such a thing is even attempted, it should be spelled-out in the contract and approved by both parties well in advance, and usually the rate is substantially lower than one gets for providing new work. |
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